YTSEJAM Digest 1303 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Sorry, the gay thing...... by email_address_removed (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) 2) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/29/96 - 04:47:34" 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1302 by Tim Villa 4) d00dical! by Ben Laussade 5) DT Mainstream? - Among Musicians Yes!/ Related Bands by Michael Backof 6) irc by email_address_removed 7) by Paul Mc Clelland 8) Two little things... by Fretburner 9) many subjects (MstlyDTC,kndf) by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 10) Threshold (NDTC) by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 11) Gandalf speaks ( like E.F. Hutton ) by email_address_removed (MR JOHN CAHILLJR) 12) Mike P by email_address_removed (MRS ROCHELLE K LUNDE) 13) WDATU, Progressive Music by Steve Borzilleri 14) Ytsejam Tribute by email_address_removed 15) DT & MetallicA by email_address_removed.it (Davide Scarpato) 16) italian Ytsejammer by email_address_removed.it (Davide Scarpato) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:24:01 EST From: email_address_removed (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Sorry, the gay thing...... Message-ID: O.K....time for some TRUE CONFESSIONS... Yes, I was once a moronic dumbassed idiot (and sometimes still am for that matter). The first time I saw Dream Theater....MANY MANY moons ago.....I said...."They look like a bunch of ____." Use your imagination and fill in the blank. I guess this could be posted under the old DT Sex Symbol thread as well(GGG). So I for one, forgive you....we learn, we grow...... Cat ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~IN GODS WE TRUST......................................... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ALL OTHERS PAY CASH...................... -STEVEN BRUST ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:48:25 EST From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/29/96 - 04:47:34" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 04:48:17 GMT on 29 Feb 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:58:20 +0800 From: Tim Villa To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1302 Message-ID: At 20:39 28/02/96 -0800, email_address_removed wrote: >anyway, i don't think mainstream society is ready for progressive music, and >it never will be. i say this because of what people are listening to. >(pop-country, rap, pop, sh*t, cheezy sh*t, etc.) these people aren't ready to >hear lyrics with the depth of 'voices', or 'uagm', or whatever. there's no >sense singling out any song, all of them are 'deep'. > >anyway, i think i'm starting to ramble, so i'll shut up now. but think about >it. do you really want progressive music to become a highly profitable, >materialistic, sold-out, overplayed form of music? i hope not. because >that's what will happen if it goes 'mainstream'. > I've always been a lurker but this was enough to get me out of my little hole! This opinion sounds exactly like that of anyone who is into an "alternative" style purely because others don't listen to it. It seems you want to be able to say "I listen this, you don't, that makes me original and different." What is wrong with progressive becoming profitable etc? If it becomes more widely recognized then that is a GOOD thing because it means more people will be exposed to better quality music. There is a place for Green Day etc in the industry and I enjoy dancing/moshing etc to Offspring at a nightclub as much as the next guy, yet I still feel it would be good to have more bands spending more time developing more "advanced" music and the fastest way for this to happen would be for prog to become more mainstream (read "mainstream" as widely accepted). Do you play DT to your friends? I certainly do and as a result there are now another group of fans that DT would not have otherwise had (I probably wouldn't have heard them if a friend hadn't lend me I&W a couple of years ago). This is another 10 or so albums sold, that little bit extra to help keep the record company happy and supporting DT in their quest for creating good music. Tim PS this wasn't a personal flame, it was simply my opinion put next to somebody else's. When you're considering flaing someone, think about whether you would to their face in real life where they could HIT you and then choose your words accordingly :-) Tim Villa Faculties of Economics & Commerce, Education and Law Network/Systems officer The University of Western Australia Phone: +61-9-380-1796 Fax: +61-9-380-1068 email: email_address_removed.au http://www.ecel.uwa.edu.au/tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 22:13:41 -0700 From: Ben Laussade To: email_address_removed Subject: d00dical! Message-ID: >Someone said they play trumpet and was interested in this project, but I >don't have your email address, so please get ahold of me, there's another >guy who plays trombone so it might be possible to do the Big Band >Theory! ;-) > I'll play drums on the big band/jazz version of Take the Time. Be just like Jazz Band at school...cept different. >cure autistic children,children with shizofrenia (did i spell >correctly) also they will be the example of musical excelence in schools >worldwide . > > No. You didn't spell correctly. And I'M not gonna tell you HOW to spell it EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just wanna say that [opinion about the sexual preference of a musician deleted], so THERE!!!!!! Do we all agree that it takes intellegence to appreciate Dream Theater's music? If so, and it does go mainstream, maybe it will make the general population more intelligent. It is also true that some people take up instruments because they want to be able to play what they hear on the radio and MTV. If DT goes mainstream, people will start taking up guitar or whatever because they want to play DT stuff...if they have the willpower/skill, then there will be a buttload of talented musicians and I'll finally have someone to be in my as-of-yet-nonexistent band! >my worst nightmare would come true if copy-cat bands were to form in the >progressive genre. well, i can't imagine anyone trying to copy DT. Well, we consider DT progressive, and progressive means changing, so DT will change, and by the time somebody copies them they will be different. So it's kinda like a big musical game of tag...except it hasn't happened yet, so I'm predicting the future...or something. you may >be able to learn their songs, but try writing a piece on the same level as >metropolis. (yeah, right) Gee...who would try to write something like that? :-):-) >Unfortunately we're stuck with They Might Be Giants. :( > Hey...I get a kick out of TMBG. It's Istanbul it's Constantinople....doobee doobee...INSTANBUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUL!!!!!!!!!!! >And I don't believe Derek is gay, nor is Neil Peart. Now, as we all know, >Lars of Metallica is gay... (JOKE!!!!) Wouldn't THAT be something? Heh heh. Speaking of Lars....he is using aluminum sticks now. That has nothing to do with anything, but you can't change the fact that I told you, so don't try anything funny, because you're NOT funny so there...or something The preceding was brought to you by Ben Laussade's Subconcious. While not for sale, it is still an interesting collectors item in that it runs his life, and his unsubbed concious is not on the Jam. (get it? Unsubbed...like, unsubscribed...geez. What the hell is wrong with me?) :-) Ben Laussade "Okay...enough about me. Let's talk about you. What do YOU think of me?" Mike Portnoy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 00:23:53 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Backof To: email_address_removed Subject: DT Mainstream? - Among Musicians Yes!/ Related Bands Message-ID: Hello Jammers, Someone just posted about DT becoming mainstream and how awful it would be. I'd like to say that DT is already having a great influence on the survivors of heavy metal and new metal artists, keyboards are abound in some of the German Metal groups, there are prog-metal bands (Shadow Gallery, Threshold, Inferno (hello Jay, got to mail you and get an update), Ivanhoe, Superior, Process, Braindance) that have a great deal of Dream Theater influence. I always get into a conversation with at least one person about Dream Theater at every concert I attend (I proudly wear my Ytsejam shirt - Jason Giles, YOU are the MAN!) - generally, not the jazz-fusion concerts. They will probably get as big as Rush eventually, but not bigger. I really don't have a hope that prog will make it into the mainstream, though the mainstream is becoming less decisive since everyone is releasing their own CDs and self promoting. I could see Dream Theater, Discipline, Timothy Pure, 23rd Hour getting airplay (the later bands are very prog musically but have vocalists that would fit into today's radio play). E-mail me with questions on these bands if you have any, all the ones I mentioned are quite good, and I have their albums, might be time to do a Ytsejam Unsigned Bands tape, I scrapped the idea last use due to the semester starting, but I might have time to pull it off now. I'll post more info if I decide to do this. Later, Mike Backof ************************************************************************ *Mike Backof **** email_address_removed *** http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 * *Inferno Home Page ******* http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html* *Unsigned & Indie Label Bands Page ******************* Support ********* *http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html ****** Local Bands ******* ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 21:35:40 -0800 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: irc Message-ID: If anyone could e-mail me personally and help me get started with the irc I would truly appreciate it. I have downloaded the program, but I can not seem to get started. Thanks, Mike Washkevich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 00:38:55 -0500 From: Paul Mc Clelland To: email_address_removed Message-ID: Hey jammers! >Somebody wrote: >I think for the drinking game there should be a rule that if you ever >see me post "al finally sent me my tapes", you are required to chug >a bottle of MD 20/20. Well, I don't know about you guys, but when I drink, I prefer to ENJOY what I'm consuming... >Somebody else wrote: >Let's get back to the jam of old where we talk about the goofy lyric misinterp- >retations. I'll contribute the first (hope this one's not already been said). > In A Change of Seasons: > "I was blinded by a pair of dice" (ouch!) Don't ask me where I got this...from LSoaD "Lifting shadows of her dress..." Also, and this was rather depressing for me. I was looking through all my CD inserts checking out lyrics and pictures and all that good stuff only to discover that Mr. Kevin Moore was the lyricist behind my two favorite songs. I had not noticed this before, but it was rather depressing. Don't get me wrong, DT kicks ass without him, too, but it'll take me a while to recover from this one :( (songs were Space-Dye Vest and Pull Me Under of course) And another thing, which I'm sure has been debated before. Is there a general consensus as to which DT song is tops among the ytsejammers? Not just a particular version of a song, but a SONG. I'd throw my two cents in but I hate to beat a dead horse. Oh, wait a minute...Derek is gay, Peart is gay, How do you pronounce Laussade, etc etc etc... Guess I wouldn't be doing anything new, would I? May we beat dead horses no longer... Pauly --"STUPID! YOU'RE SO STUPID! STUPIIIIIIIIIIIID!" -Kuni from Wheel of Fish from Weird Al's UHF. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 00:46:47 -0500 (EST) From: Fretburner To: email_address_removed Subject: Two little things... Message-ID: Hi all, I won't mention that this is my first post to the new jam. Anyway, I just got through #1300 and have two quick comments. Sorry I don't remember either name. To the guy who had a Tom Servo quote in his .sig, I know this is picky but the correct spelling is "wacka jawacka" and it is a reference to the Zappa tune of the same name. Had to jump on it because MST3K and Frank Zappa are two of my favorite things. The guy who was getting into Genesis: I highly recommend the Album "Duke." I bought it because it's the one with "Turn it on Again" and it has since become one of my most frequently played discs. It has Phil Colins on vocals but is still very progressive. Fast Dream Theater content: I am a Music Technology student at NYU. A few weeks ago my recording tech Professor gave us a tape analyze the production of. He made it himself (on his $5000 Nakamichi machine) and one of the songs on it was "6:00"!. He then told us that he knew the boys and had done some work on their first album. Hows that for a cool teacher? Later, -Dan (email_address_removed) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 22:08:08 PST From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: many subjects (MstlyDTC,kndf) Message-ID: <9602290608.AA12729@tengs1> > Subject: Thanks, Ben > > At last! Ben has told us how to pronounce his surname! It's been buggin' > me for ages. Thanks, Ben. :-) > > Mart What I want to know is how to pronounce "Bahr." Rhymes with "bar" or "bear?" Do Right Coast 'jammers pronounce it "bah?" > Subject: Drum clinic > > Last Saturday, I had the opportunity to attend M.P.'s drum clinic. Can > I just say what a great guy he is?!? He is. You won't see Mike ever writing a lyric like "I can't pretend a stanger is a long-awaited friend." > They have 5 songs completed ("about 45 minutes of material") and intend > to put on about 5 more. "The album should be out late summer/early > fall." Something to look forward to! Hmm. I think this album will probably fill a CD like Awake did. > Subject: prog-metal > a funny thing happened the other day. a girl in my spanish 201 class > asked me what kind of music i listened to, and one of the thing i > mentioned, naturally, was prog-metal, to which she responded, "prague? > why do you listen to german music?" amazingly enough, that is not the > first time that's happened! what's with these people? they act as if > they've never heard prog-metal before . . . ;) I'm tempted to say "alternative." But I'd feel like an arrogant bastard explaining that progressive metal really _is_ alternative these days. > >Subject: DT as sex symbols > > >Well I now this thread has died down, but I got a friend into DT and she > went > >out and bought "Ay-Cose". I asked her what she thought of the band itself > and > >she sais"That vocalist is pretty cute, the one with the overalls (Mike) is > >gross, the Korean (meaning John M, BTW I know he's not Korean) is so ugly, > >that one whos just standing there (John P) is a dud, but that one with the > >short hair is the cutest one of all!" > >later--------------Brian I think Mike is the most attractive. I love that tough-guy image. And that accent sends shivers down my... (WAIT! I'm not gay, really !>|> > Hey Brian, I can't believe I'm wasting my time replying to your obnoxious > post, Ive gone back and looked at some of your previous posts, and it > confirms my suspicions,you are a trouble maker, and say stupid things > that have no value. > I apologize to the rest of the jam but this has got me flaaaaaammmmming > > John Arch email_address_removed Do you have trouble reading things in context? Perhaps that is why Dream Theater chose James instead of you for their vocalist. Or is Brian... lying?! > And I don't believe Derek is gay, nor is Neil Peart. Now, as we all know, > Lars of Metallica is gay... (JOKE!!!!) It's Myung who's gay. I mean, he wrote that song about AIDS, and all. (just kidding, flamers)- just kidding, again. Currently in the player: Threshhold: Livedelica, Death: Symbolic, Ivanhoe: Symbols of Time, Peter Gabriel: Shaking the Tree, Scorpions: Savage Amusement, (you know who), Images and Words Zach ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 22:20:05 PST From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: Threshold (NDTC) Message-ID: <9602290620.AA12827@tengs1> Is it just me, or does the instrumental break in "Sanity's End" sound a lot like "Holier than Thou" (Metallica)? btw, are their albums as good as the songs on _Livedelica_, or are these their best? thanks, Zach ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 01:25:31 EST From: email_address_removed (MR JOHN CAHILLJR) To: email_address_removed Subject: Gandalf speaks ( like E.F. Hutton ) Message-ID: Recently some jammers have made some ridiculous statements, many of which I will not comment on. Brian wrote that John Myung is not Korean; True in the fact that he was born in the U.S. ,but both his parents are Korean. Hell Kenny Myung tells me of his fathers trips to Korea all the time. If that does not make him Korean then I'll eat my shoes. Another thing, I know it was a few days ago but, I must agree with the Mojoman. Tori Amos sucks!!!! I was forced to listen to her newest album by my girlfriend. I then forced her to listen to I&W. She was a great deal more impressed than I was. What is this about catching a little sneeze. PAAATTHHHEEETTIICCC!!!!!!!. By the way the Piano bench Dildo was my idea, the mojoman stole it from me. Debbie Vestal must be one of the coolest girls on the face of the planet. It's scary how much her opinions agree with mine. ( Thanks for the suggestions for the book ) Has anyone out there ever heard of a band called POWERMAD. They released an album in 90'. It is prog metal that is a little heavier than DT. The album was called " Absolute Power " Pick it up if you can or E-Mail me and I'll send you a tape. Funny story. When DT played at Sundance here on LI during the WDADU tour my friend and I went to see them. His older brother was the drummer for Centurion, John P and Kevin's first band together. Well to make a long story even longer, my friends car broke down and we hitched a ride home with John Petrucci. As we pulled into Kings Park the sun was rising. James looks at John and said " Hey John look! When dream and day unite". We almost had to walk the rest of the way home until we agreed to by John bagels at the local shop. This really happened. Elen sila lumennn omentilmo, Gandalf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 01:37:48 EST From: email_address_removed (MRS ROCHELLE K LUNDE) To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Mike P Message-ID: Hi could you please tell me how MP clinic was? Also you said he commented on the new album could you please be more specific? Did he tell you what the songs sounded like etc? I would love for you to answer my Questions thank you very much. Rochelle P.S I love Mike Portnoy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 22:51:54 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri To: Dream Thespians Subject: WDATU, Progressive Music Message-ID: Well I got my WDATU last Friday. The first thing that grabbed me by the throat was the line from "Light Fuse," where the vocals start to soar, "Stop your hands from shaking, look at me!" Hearing LaBrie sing this line really cemented the lingering idea that his voice is just in a different league than Dominici's...a SUPERIOR league. It was a pleasure hearing LaBrie sing this one and "To Set The Sun" because I had never heard him sing either of them, and also because, regardless of the sometimes-crackly recording quality, the vocal tracks on both songs were infinitely better than the ones on the album. ;) I'm still wondering why the last song on the cd, an instrumental known for years as "Barfbag," is suddenly called "Showdown." Did DT rename the song, or did Mike Bahr decide to rename it? And was Mike freestyling some poetry reminiscent of the "To Live Forever" lyrics in the liner notes? Regardless of names, my favorite track on the disc is the last one. That funky, schizophrenic instrumental, whatever its proper name is. As for progressive music and whether it will ever catch on... Were any of you alive and conscious in 1984? Do you remember Prince Marky-D rapping about "All You Can Eat" and other such gluttonies? Rap at that time was considered by many as little more than a joke, no one thought it would be around in five years. Weeelllll... Here we are in 1996, and it's still here sans The Fat Boys. And not only did rap catch on, but it caught on strong, and over a decade later that form of music has come nowhere near dying out. Yeah yeah, maybe you hate rap and you don't know who could possibly listen to it, but obviously the audience exists, and has for the last 17 or so years. The same can be said of progressive music from the mouth of someone at Lolapalooza, that prog sucks or whatever. But it's still there. I mean, hasn't anyone noticed the recent resurgence of quick licks and double-bass frenzies a la Helmet and Korn? Technical soliloquys and flourishes are peeking in from that window...yes THAT window. The filthy one that no one ever washes because it's so complicated that most people don't understand it or pay any attention to it...but a little light still shines through... And speaking of the drummer getting wicked, when IS Portnoy gonna start his solo with, "Well we're DT the progressive band, we'd like to say hello, a-to the ska, the country, the reggae, the death, the acid and techno." Has anyone spotted an Acoustic Dreams #341 laying under a pile of laundry somewhere? Bafu Vai ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 01:51:14 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Ytsejam Tribute Message-ID: Yeah, id like to do the ytsejam tribute thingy. I play (heres a first...) Guitar, using a Mesa-Boogie "Tri-Axis wannabe" DC-3 combo, and a B.C.Rich fittedwith extra high gain Dimarzio "Evolution", using an RP-10 for delay effects, andusing.........blah......blah.....etc. Well, gotta go...... Thunder ------------------------------ Date: 29 Feb 1996 00:25:07 GMT From: email_address_removed.it (Davide Scarpato) To: email_address_removed Subject: DT & MetallicA Message-ID: When Dream Theater played the cover that are on the "A Change of season" cd, they played also Metallica's song. So, why didn't they put this on the cd? Is possible to hear the registration of that concert? c ya! Davide Scarpato. ********************************************************************* Rete Civica Milanese ++39-2-55182133 GUI-TCP/IP:149.132.120.68:3004 at the Computer Science Department of Milan State University ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 29 Feb 1996 00:27:43 GMT From: email_address_removed.it (Davide Scarpato) To: email_address_removed Subject: italian Ytsejammer Message-ID: Hy is there some italian guy that read this mailing list? c ya! Davide. (please don't flame me for this) ********************************************************************* Rete Civica Milanese ++39-2-55182133 GUI-TCP/IP:149.132.120.68:3004 at the Computer Science Department of Milan State University ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1303 **************************