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Contents:
Re: Re-usable riff (Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>)
Re: Majesty (Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>)
Re: thanks! (Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>)
Re: Bootleg: live in long island part 1 (Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>)
Re: Great FAQ but I have an idea... (Martin A Hennemann <email_address_removed>)
Re:  CDC List. (Martin A Hennemann <email_address_removed>)
Re: Bootleg: live in long island part 1 (email_address_removed (Steve Mansfield))
Re: Petrucci Shank (William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>)
Re: Re-usable riff, Question Rephrased to Michael Bahr (William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>)
Re: Bootleg: live in long island part 1 (William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>)
Re: Great FAQ but I have an idea... (William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>)
Re: CDC List. (William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>)
Re: Live PMU on radio (F5JTL...WX3W <email_address_removed>)
About the CDC imports... (email_address_removed)
Dream Theater/Rush (Gravy Train <email_address_removed>)
Re: The silent one speaks!!!!!!!! (Joshua Cole <email_address_removed>)
metropolis live (hartman larry <email_address_removed>)
Double Riff (William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>)
Re: Double Riff (Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>)

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 93 8:45:58 MST
From: Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Re-usable riff

> 
> >From the new FAQ:
> 
> 
> >3.19 Has anybody noticed the re-usable riff phenomenon?
> >
> >	Yes. Pull Me Under and Take The Time share a main riff, and Wait
> >For Sleep and Learning to Live also share a main riff. Thematically, none
> >of the songs interconnect. Mike Portnoy has said that the music is written
> >out before the lyrics are written and set to melody. It is possible (any
> >interviews mention this?) that they were intended to be counterparts and
> >that the relation was either scrapped or made more subtle.
> 
> 
> What parts of Pull Me Under and Take The Time share a riff?  Right at this 
> moment I keep running both songs through my head but am driving myself crazy
> because I can't find anything in common.  Anyone care to point me in the right
> direction?  It must not be as obvious as Wait For Sleep and Learning to Live.

It starts at 4:17 in Take the Time on my Images disk. (Didn't I post that
yesterday? If so did I post the same clocktime?) Check it out, it's the
"this world is spinning around me" riff.

Mike/email_address_removed

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 93 8:49:18 MST
From: Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Majesty

> 
> >fourth of the 1987-forward demos just surfaced on the list... including a
> >cover of Dead or Alive, and others. Technically, those four are Dream
>  
> That cover of Dead or Alive, according to John Petrucci, was basically just
> him goofing around with a drum machine, so I don't think that that makes it
> a Dream Theater demo in the same sense that those other songs are.  It was
> just something he did for a laugh and he never intended for it to go any
> farther than his own hands.  When I asked him about it, he was *quite*
> embarassed that I even knew about it and seemed a bit upset that it was
> circulating among fans.  The vocals on that track came later and were
> provided not by John, BTW, but by Kevin Moore(!), or so John claims.  Maybe
> John is just too embarassed to admit that he did it. ;)  It is pretty silly,
> but great fun to listen to! :)

Heh heh! That's classic!! :) This is the stuff of which rock legends are
made... if only Rush had as much trivia, fandom, and bootleg stuff after
only two albums. (The first known LP bootleg of Rush cannot be had for
less than $200. It's a transparent-red vinyl, numbered, signed (though I
SERIOUSOLY doubt the signatures are anything but copied) LP called "Live
at Electric Lady 1974" that had a circulation of 500 printed. Thank GOD
that DT bootlegs are far more common.

But aside from the Wanted: cover, every demo made by DT after the 1986
Majesty demos is technically a Dream Theater demo. :)

Mike/email_address_removed

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 93 8:53:12 MST
From: Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: thanks!

> Unwritten rule of rock bands:  when in doubt, always talk to the
> drummer.  Being drummers, they always have to be moving something, and
> jaws work just as well as hands and feet.  :)    (Portnoy, Ulrich,
> Peart, uh...  Dave Re (hi Dave)....    hehe)

	Hehe Hey! I bet you're right!! In fact I am sure of it! After all,
look how much of the stink that sorry ex-GNR drummer raised... grin.

	You never hear from the drummers of Queensryche or Galactic
Cowboys though... shame too. Monty is a blast to chat with heh
Mike/email_address_removed

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 93 8:59:33 MST
From: Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Bootleg: live in long island part 1

> 
> > > I believe I saw the disc live in long island tonight when I went to a local
> > > import shop.  It had a song from the original demos called only a matter of me
> > 
> > That would be the Washington DC bootleg. Did the setlist look like this?
> > 	Metropolis part I
> > 	Under a Glass Moon
> > 	Only A Matter of Time
> > 	Surrounded
> > 	Pull Me Under
> > 	The Ytse Jam
> 
> If the is the DC show, it would also have Moonbubbles here.

	Well, it was an instrumental section with no title, since I got
this as a copy. Sound about right?

> 
> > 	Another Day
> > 	The Killing Hand
> > 	Take The time
> 
> Steve Mansfield  | Once you're touched you stand alone to face the bitter fight
> email_address_removed | Once I reached for love but now I reach for life.
> Dream Theater - Learning to Live
> 

Mike
The short .sig dude

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 11:40:29 -0500
From: Martin A Hennemann <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Great FAQ but I have an idea...

  Earlier you guys were wondering the ages of the band members.  Well,
Mike Portnoy is 25 years old.  I was looking through some of my files
last night (instead of studying *smirk*) and found an interview someone
posted on here from a magazine. (Michael E. Patrick posted it, email
email_address_removed).  So we have one member down :)
      Chris

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 13:00:11 -0500
From: Martin A Hennemann <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re:  CDC List.

  As I said before, I asked the company that, and they called me irl and they
guy said that the only diff that he knew of was that they were from different
places.  Other then that he said they're the same, so go for the cheapest.
Also, ALEX is on sale right now:)
  Chris

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 13:49:47 -0500 (EST)
From: email_address_removed (Steve Mansfield)
Subject: Re: Bootleg: live in long island part 1

> > > That would be the Washington DC bootleg. Did the setlist look like this?
> > > 	Metropolis part I
> > > 	Under a Glass Moon
> > > 	Only A Matter of Time
> > > 	Surrounded
> > > 	Pull Me Under
> > > 	The Ytse Jam
> > 
> > If the is the DC show, it would also have Moonbubbles here.
> 
> 	Well, it was an instrumental section with no title, since I got
> this as a copy. Sound about right?

Ding.  We have a winner!  B-)

Steve Mansfield  | Once you're touched you stand alone to face the bitter fight
email_address_removed | Once I reached for love but now I reach for life.
Dream Theater - Learning to Live

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 14:31:36 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Petrucci Shank

He also hits a D and G at the same time after hitting a C#.

I think the biggest problem with metropolis is the stupid digital delay
on the unison solos. It makes it sound sloppy.

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 14:37:36 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Re-usable riff, Question Rephrased to Michael Bahr

Its not a main riff, its 4 notes in a melody that are similar. I don't
think it should be in the FAQ, or it should say something like "similar
melodies".

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 14:40:13 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Bootleg: live in long island part 1

is it just a misprint of only a matter of time?

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 14:41:57 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Great FAQ but I have an idea...

Excerpts from mail: 16-Dec-93 Re: Great FAQ but I have an.. by Michael
[email-masked] 
> Non-quoting hell! WHAT's just the intro again?? :)
> Mike
> 

The DT .tab in the music archives

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 14:46:07 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: CDC List.

there's no difference.

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 12:54:09 -0700 (MST)
From: F5JTL...WX3W <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Live PMU on radio

According to Pat Daugherty:
>
>Well about the live Pull Me Under being on radio. I heard the live song
>a couple of months ago on the last pirate radio which was a national show.
>So the live song has been heard nationwide on the radio.

PMU and Surrounded live were played on a local station down here in
Albuquerque last week-end.

Laurent E-:-)

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Date: 16 Dec 1993 14:59:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: email_address_removed
Subject: About the CDC imports...

Ok, here's the story (from what I've experienced) about CDC:

  I recently ordered (about a month ago) the WDADU and LATM cds and I 
got them within a week and three days to be exact.  I just chose the 
cheapest verion of each and there seems to be no problem whatsoever 
with them!  I think (now this is just my opinion) that the other 
expensive versions of the same albums are the exact same albums except 
that they more expensive becuase they are imported from a different company
or a different source).

   All that I know is that CDC is very reliable and very punctual 
about delivering.

  Oh, I have another idea about this digest (I guess this goes to the 
list owner though, but I'm posting this anyway).  When and if the 
person that said they'd put up the FAQ on FTP and LISTSERV, the list 
owner should put a message at the beginning of every digest saying how to 
subscribe/unsubcribe and how to recieve YTSEJAM in digest form.  Also 
you could put info on how to get the FAQ (via FTP of LISTSERV).

  If any of you fellow YSTEJAM subscribers or the list owner get the 
NMS digest (the Rush digest), they have something very similar to what 
I'm talking about.  This would eliminate all subscribe, unsubscribe 
requests to the mailing list and it would eliminate all confusion for 
new members (about subscribing or FAQ requests).

  Just another $.02 idea!!  Just trying to make the YTSEJAM digest 
even better!!!!!!!!!

  Alex Randall
  (email_address_removed) 

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Date: 16 Dec 93 16:23:14 EST
From: Gravy Train <email_address_removed>
Subject: Dream Theater/Rush

I'm going out on a limb, but I gotta say that the two best things that have hit
the shelves this year are Dream Theater's concert video, _Images & Words: Live
In Tokyo_ (breast autographing and all), and _Counterparts_ by Rush (ESPECIALLY
"Animate").  I also hear that the new King's X album is coming out in January
and is called _Dogman_.  The album was produced by Brendan O'Brien who has
worked with Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Ty
Taylor wrote a song called "Dogman" for the new album that was inspired by none
other than Rush Limbaugh.

Peace.

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Date: 16 Dec 1993 20:31:13 -0500
From: Joshua Cole <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: The silent one speaks!!!!!!!!

> By the way, speaking of Petrucci shanks, there's a pretty good one 
> about half way through 'Bombay Vindaloo' but who give a shit.  He's 
> still the man. 

I just have one question. If it's an improvised song, how can it be a shank? 
Maybe he planned it that way, but it just sounded like a mistake? ;-D

--Josh

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 22:55:54 -0500 (EST)
From: hartman larry <email_address_removed>
Subject: metropolis live

I was listen to Rock 103.1 in Baltimore a few weeks ago and they were having
some national (?) broadcast of some show like the Power Hour or Metal Shop or
some kinda thing like that.  I don't believe that it was the local Power 
Zone show, though...

Anyway, the guy said something like, now here is the our most requested song
of the week, and it was Metropolis Live at the Marquee!!!! My friend and I 
were shitting our pants!!!  They played the whole damn thing, we couldn't 
believe that they didn't edit it or anything.

It was amazing!

Jason Hartman

" I am the Killing Hand!"

BTW - E-mail me if you have a copy of that "cover" of Dead or Alive, I would 
really like to get a copy!  Thanks!

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 23:25:57 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>
Subject: Double Riff

I have two bitches about this being in the FAQ:
    1) Its not a main riff, as you say
    2) They are similar, but different. The notes are different, not just 
       because of the key, which is probably different, but in relation to
       eachother. Look at this:

Pull Me Under:                 

-----2----------------3---------------4-------------------------2-0------
------------------------3---------------5-4^5^4---------------------3----
---4---4------------5-----5---------6-----------6-------2-0---4----------
------------------5---------5-----6-------------------0------------------
-2--------------3---------------4----------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------3--------------------

Take The Time

-4-2-----5^6-4----4-2---4-2-----
-----2---------4------2-----3---
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--------------------------------
--------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 93 0:11:05 MST
From: Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Double Riff

> 
> I have two bitches about this being in the FAQ:
>     1) Its not a main riff, as you say
>     2) They are similar, but different. The notes are different, not just 
>        because of the key, which is probably different, but in relation to
>        eachother. Look at this:
> 
> Pull Me Under:                 
> 
> -----2----------------3---------------4-------------------------2-0------
> ------------------------3---------------5-4^5^4---------------------3----
> ---4---4------------5-----5---------6-----------6-------2-0---4----------
> ------------------5---------5-----6-------------------0------------------
> -2--------------3---------------4----------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------------3--------------------
> 
> Take The Time
> 
> -4-2-----5^6-4----4-2---4-2-----
> -----2---------4------2-----3---
> --------------------------------
> --------------------------------
> --------------------------------
> --------------------------------
> 
> 
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Well, readers of the list, what do you think? It was included int he FAQ
because (I figured) it stood out so obviously. however as has been shown,
there is a difference. Do I nuke it, or keep it? Keep in mind that if I
nuke it, inevitably there will be DT newbie fans going "Why is that 'this
world is spinning aroudn me' part duplicated in Take The Time and why
havent I heard about it from you guys?"

Mike/email_address_removed

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