Subject: YTSEJAM digest 260
From: email_address_removed
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Contents:
Rising Force - neo-classical list (Igor Sinyak <email_address_removed>)
Re: re:YTSEJAM digest 254 (Martin A Hennemann <email_address_removed>)
Learning to Live = AIDS (email_address_removed.ac.uk)
Eve, Freedom, and various others (Michael Burstin <email_address_removed>)
Re:  9. The interview 0:27 (Eric David Persson <email_address_removed>)
Various (The Longshot <email_address_removed>)
James LaBrie -- Shy, or just an @$$hole? (Corporate Community Relations <email_address_removed>)
Stuff ("Michael E. Patrick" <email_address_removed>)
Re: LtL (Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>)
Re: PROMO CD!! (email_address_removed)
fatez warning (just kidding) (A Lerxst in Wonderland <email_address_removed>)
???? (email_address_removed)
Re: LtL (Martin A Hennemann <email_address_removed>)
Re: Stuff (Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>)
Venue for Toronto Show 7/20/93??? (Richard Schwarz <email_address_removed>)
Re: LtL (Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>)
Re: fatez warning (just kidding) (email_address_removed)
Re: LtL (email_address_removed)
Re: Venue for Toronto Show 7/20/93??? ("Jeff Boerio" <email_address_removed>)
Re: LtL ("Paul W. Cashman" <email_address_removed>)

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 93 02:00:01 PST
From: Igor Sinyak <email_address_removed>
Subject: Rising Force - neo-classical list

Text item: Text_1

If you like the solos in the middle of Killing Hand, then you might be 
interested in Rising Force, a new mailing list for neo-classical metal.
I'm posting this to Ytsejam mainly for the benefit of those who don't 
have news.  If you like Yngwie, and/or the use of classical music in 
metal, e-mail me for details.

email_address_removed

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 04:59:28 -0500
From: Martin A Hennemann <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: re:YTSEJAM digest 254

  About Fates Warning.  I have Parrellels and Perfect Symmetry.  Parrells is
wonderful, I love it.  PS isn't great, but it isn't bad.  All in all, I like
it.  That's why I figured I'd by Night on Brocken, since I've never seen them
in the stores. :)  Since nobody seems to know much about it, I'll review it
when I get it ;)
  BTW, something totally unrelated, I saw the Goo Goo Dolls in concert today.
It was great! :)  Not sure how many of you have heard it, but they're good :)
Nothing like Dream theater, but good none the less :)
     Chris

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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 93 13:16:14 GMT
From: email_address_removed.ac.uk
Subject: Learning to Live = AIDS

Hi,

  To those of you wondering whether Learning to Live was or wasn't
about AIDS, here's an extract from the interview I did with Mike
Portnoy after their UK tour last April:

PM:  Somebody on the net-list
     suggested that Learning To Live is all about AIDS.  Any
     comments on that?

Mike:   Um, those are John Myung's lyrics, so I can't really
     comment for  him.  But I do know that those lyrics were
     definitely inspired  by the AIDS epidemic.  After those
     lyrics were  first written,  John first told us that it
     is about  AIDS, but  since then  he's changed  his mind
     (laughs).   So you'd  have to  ask him.   But those are
     definitely references to the AIDS epidemic.

--------------

   Paul May, University of Bristol, UK

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 11:34:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <email_address_removed>
Subject: Eve, Freedom, and various others

I was reading the discog again and now see even more songs, and even
more confusion.  Eve is being called 2 different songs, and now there
is a new one called Freedom after To Live Forever on LiT.  Eve is
listed before Take The Time (live)  Someone also saw Eve listed as the
song before PMU on DoE.  It is not on my CD, so where is it listed.
Can someone who knows some of the band members please ask them if all
possible. Maybe over winter break...

I just would like to know what is what...
-- 
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* I was told there's a miricle for each day that I try                 *
* I was told there's a new love that's born for each one that has died *
* I was told there'd be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid *
* I was told if you dream of the next world                            *
* You'll find yourself swimming in a lake of fire                      *
*	Dream Theater	Metropolis (part 1)	Images and Words       *
*	Michael Burstin			     Brandeis University       *
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*  Let's Go Pens   Let's Go Pens	 Lets Go Pens	 Let's Go Pens *
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 11:11:01 -0600
From: Eric David Persson <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re:  9. The interview 0:27

Hi all!
I haven't posted in a while (or maybe not at all..) so here goes:

The Japanese girl from LiT said something like this:
"From now on, please do your best in Japan.  I expecting/looking forward to
the concert."
Or something like that...The "From now on, do your best.." doesn't mean that
she though that they sucked before :)
It's not clear what she's looking forward to..the concert..big things from DT..
Anyway, it's a combo of two really common cheesy phrases that the Japanese use.
(Not that that is bad at all.  )

A while ago, someone asked about the insert (white foldout paper) in LaM (Jp Ver)
One side has a review/critique of DT and the other side had the lyrics.  
I plan to translate at least some of it over winter break.
There's also one in the WDADU (Jap Ver), and probably the Japanese release of
I&W (no bonus trax..I checked).
I don't have the I&W one, but if I get the time I'll try to translate some of
it or the highlights and post them.  

I don't know about the German LatM, but the Japanese one said that it was to
"commemorate DT's coming to Japan"...This seems to happen alot in Japan as a
recent trend.  Unfortunately, I left for Japan in late May only 3 days before 
DT came back to St.Louis....and left Japan 3 weeks before they came to Osaka.
They came to Osaka on 8/28 (i think) after 2 shows in Tokyo.

-Eric Persson

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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1993 12:48:20 EST
From: The Longshot <email_address_removed>
Subject: Various

Some
one on TNMS wrote about the band Cynic.  He claimed they were a better
band than DT.  I asked him for more info and sent him the address for this
list.  He told me that this is the band's first release and they have roots
in Death Metal.  He oviously has not written here, so I will give you my
opinions of it.

It is ovious the roots of the band is in Death Metal just by listening to the
lead singer.  IMO he is horible and just ruins the band for me.  They do some
interesting effects on his voice, though.  If you can get past the singing,
though, you will find a solid band behind it all.  The band is not mindless
thrash.  There seems to be a lot of softer, melodic parts in all of their
songs.  There is some keyboard, but not used nearly as well as in DT.

Overall, they are an ok band.  They could be a good band if they could get a
real singer.  (Textures is an awesome instremental, though!)

On to other things.  Does anyone notice that DT has added more songs while
they been on tour?  (I know, dumb question.)  When I went to see them in
Febuary, Their set was fairly standard.  (all of I&W, Fourtune in Lies, and
the Ytsejam)  Now they have added a few songs (The Killing Hand, To Live
Forever, and (once) A Change of Seasons)  I just thought that was interesting.

The guys admitting "Learning to Live" was about AIDS I think was in an
interview at Hammerjacks (I think with Portnoy or Petrucci, I don't remember
which.)  I used to have a copy of it, but not anymore.

The Longshot

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 93 13:02:04 EST
From: Corporate Community Relations <email_address_removed>
Subject: James LaBrie -- Shy, or just an @$$hole?

William T Bajzek <[email-masked]> writes:

>Subject: Re: James Labrie...hmmmph!!!
>
>>Excerpts from mail: 3-Dec-93 James Labrie...hmmmph!!! by A L. in
>>Wonderland@tamsu 
>> James:"What? Mike...you actually remember someone in the audience...I try to
>>         look at them as little as I have to" (said in snotty voice)
>
>you know, it might make you nervous to have to look at 15,000 people
>staring at you and screaming for 2 and a half hours.

First off, James *wishes* he was singing in front of 15k for 2.5 hours!!

I caught the following DT gigs during the Images and Tour tour that were
relatively close to one another:

	     Dream Theater 1992-1993 "Images & Tour" Concert Dates

Month	Day	City, State (Country)	Venue
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** 1992:

Dec 	16	Boston, MA		Axis

*** 1993:

Jan 	09	Salisbury, MA		Chapter II
Jan 	10	Hadley, MA		Vertex
Jan 	13	Providence, RI		Club Babyhead

Each time, I was in the front row for the shows!!  By the time the Babyhead gig
rolled around, James would look at me like "I'm sick of seeing you at our f'ing
gigs...why don't you stop coming?" ... or something like that.  A real loser, if
you ask me (the Yngwie Malmsteen attitude!).  

Personally, I think a band would be psyched and/or flattered that a fan would 
come to all of their area shows.  James, imho, really doesn't seem to care in
that respect.

Cheers
Buck

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Date: 05 Dec 93 14:02:47 EST
From: "Michael E. Patrick" <email_address_removed>
Subject: Stuff

How many more times are we going to have to stare at the discography?  I'm 
getting a little tired of seeing it.

One word on some of the band member's less than enthusiastic interplay with 
fans.  They were are certainly congenial, if not excited, when I met them.  
Most of the people I was hanging around with after the show to meet the 
band could have used a shower and an education - I bet the band gets tired 
of hearing such perceptive comments as, "You're the fuckin' best, 
dude!!!!!"  (That's not aimed at anyone here on the Net).

Mike

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 93 15:04:34 MST
From: Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: LtL

> 
> One word on those who say that if LtL is about the general subject of AIDS 
> then it's poorly written since that connection doesn't immediately come 
> across.  If you need to get hit over the head with a freakin' baseball bat 
> to have a song make sense - go listen to someone else.  Myung is not 
> campaigning for public office - he can be as ambiguous as he likes.  
> 
> Don't burst blood vessels sweating the meanings - there won't be any test 
> on it.

On that note...

Anyone here figure out what Take The Time is about? I had no idea (other
than ambiguous 'it's about not hurrying things and thinking them through')
until last night I was reading, and it hit me. We have to ask them about
this.. it's based on J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit/Lord of the Rings! I
shall expand on this:

"The unbroken spirit obscured in disquiet" - Tolkien uses those EXACT
WORDS in the Mirkwood forest while Bilbo is thinking...

"By the spirit this trial demands" - the whole story is Gandalf's sending
Bilbo on one hell of a trial.. which he passes.

"And at the end of this day, sighs in anxious relief, for the fortune is
still in his hands" - the ring of invisibility, even when they keep
running into trouble, and Sting, his magic sword.

"You're fighting the weight of the world, no one can save you this time,
close your eyes, and you'll find all you need in your mind" - Bilbo has to
save the dwarven party more than once, against seemingly insurmountable
odds, and he closes his eyes and thinks up a solution and pulls it off,
saving the party...

"I close my eyes, and feel the water rise around me" - the enchanted river
that puts people to sleep if they fall in, like Bombur did!!

"Drown the beat of time, left my senses fall away" - it also acted as a
spell of "forget" to any victim, and the last thing they remembered was
events from weeks ago.

"Givig freely wandering promises, A place with decisions I'll fashion, I
won't waste another breath." - again Tolkien practically quotes this when
the party has just left Beorn and Gandalf...

What do you all think? I know it's not exactly a modern subject, but the
quotes fit, or seem to... and shit, if Pull Me Under is about Hamlet, this
could be anything...

Mike/email_address_removed

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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 93 17:19:50 EST
From: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: PROMO CD!!

Are all the copies of the promo CD gone are is it still in print?  Does
anyone know where I can get one?

(If you prefer to respond in private email that is ok, too!)

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 17:04:51 -0600 (CST)
From: A Lerxst in Wonderland <email_address_removed>
Subject: fatez warning (just kidding)

for email_address_removed:

The Fates Warning first 4 cds are out of print as far as I know, (by 
themselves at least)  They have been re-released (as imports I think) as
2-cd sets, with Night on Brocken/Spectre Within as one double cd, and 
Awaken the Guardian/No Exit as the other.  I bought the first one, but
haven't bouth the AG/NE because I already have No Exit on disc..anyone know
of any copies of Awaken the Guardian on disc??  

for everyone:

I couldn't get my name in for the promo cd thing in time, since I went home
that weekend.  Anyone willing to sell their copy?  I collect promo cds, and
I would really like a copy.  I am willing to either trade copies of all kinds
of rush/dt/qryche/primus/king's x boots or just buy a copy outright.  

ps...I just heard consciously unreal for the first time yesterday, (thanks to
Michael Burstin!!!) and I have to say it is unreal..it is one of the best
sounding boots I have heard.  A Change of Seasons is incredible.  At least
we know they're not gonna cheese out on us with future releases.  CoS really
reminded me of Metropolis in some ways, with its contrasting textures, odd time
riffs, and key/gtr/bass perfect scalar passages.  I was really impressed.

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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1993 22:36:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: email_address_removed
Subject: ????

Give me any information about this that you can.  Anything would help.  Thanks.........

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 22:56:55 -0500
From: Martin A Hennemann <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: LtL

  Havn't read the Hobbit before (I try, but it's broing to me *shrug*)  But
I don't 4exactly see how Pull me Under is Hamlet although everyone's saying
it.  Someone wanna enlighten me? :)
      Chris

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 93 21:43:31 MST
From: Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Stuff

> 
> How many more times are we going to have to stare at the discography?  I'm 
> getting a little tired of seeing it.

	Who got up on the wrong side of the bed today??? hoo man.

	I'm only going to post it about once every three weeks or so from
here out, unless no changes have been made, in which case I won't post it.
But we have added a LOT to it and there are people who are waiting to see
those additions... this is a mail list, you can always nuke the discog
messages by title (and I will include it in the title).

Mike/email_address_removed

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Date: 06 Dec 93 00:02:52 EST
From: Richard Schwarz <email_address_removed>
Subject: Venue for Toronto Show 7/20/93???

Could someone please E-mail me the name of the place where Dream Theater
played in Toronto on July 20, 1993?  Thanks.

Email adr:    email_address_removed

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 93 22:25:10 MST
From: Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: LtL

> 
>   Havn't read the Hobbit before (I try, but it's broing to me *shrug*)  But
> I don't 4exactly see how Pull me Under is Hamlet although everyone's saying
> it.  Someone wanna enlighten me? :)
>       Chris
> 

Well it's mainly the secnd verse... coincides VERY well with Hamlet and
the Soliloquy, and his angst over wanting to kill Claudius but having to
really build himself up to do it...

"if not today nor yet tomorrow then some other day"
"I'd take seven lives for one, and then my only father's son
 as sure as I did ever love him, I am not afraid"...

There is more to that, but that is the nut-shell version. It's about as
subtle as the AIDS message in LtL, but less direct than the "coma" or
whatever-type mental deal from Another Day
"the coldness of his words, the message in his silence"

Mike/email_address_removed

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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1993 01:19:14 -0500 (EST)
From: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: fatez warning (just kidding)

About the Fates Warning re-releases. . .funny you should mention, the only
one of those first four that I have on CD is Awaken The Guardian!  So I
guess I have a similar problem to you. . .unless I find No Exit. . .Got an
extra copy to sell? :)

				Party on,

				Aaron
				ASILVERM@UMIAMI

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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1993 01:24:56 -0500 (EST)
From: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: LtL

That's an interesting stretch with TTT and Tolkien!  Unfortunately, I have
bad news.  I remember in one of the interviews that the band members each
wrote one section of the lyrics, and it's about life on the road and the
rigors of touring, and how they have to sit back and relax and digest everythingonce in a while!  (Notice the Lyric credit is given to Dream Theater rather
than one member.)  Good effort though!

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 23:24:55 -0800 (PST)
From: "Jeff Boerio" <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Venue for Toronto Show 7/20/93???

> Could someone please E-mail me the name of the place where Dream Theater
> played in Toronto on July 20, 1993?  Thanks.

It was a place called RPM.

    - Jeff

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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 00:13:34 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: LtL

> > One word on those who say that if LtL is about the general subject of AIDS 
> > then it's poorly written since that connection doesn't immediately come 
> > across.  If you need to get hit over the head with a freakin' baseball bat 
> > to have a song make sense - go listen to someone else.  Myung is not 
> > campaigning for public office - he can be as ambiguous as he likes.  
> > 
> > Don't burst blood vessels sweating the meanings - there won't be any test 
> > on it.
> 
> On that note...
> 
> Anyone here figure out what Take The Time is about? I had no idea (other
> than ambiguous 'it's about not hurrying things and thinking them through')
> until last night I was reading, and it hit me. We have to ask them about
> this.. it's based on J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit/Lord of the Rings! I
> shall expand on this:

I'll cautiously agree, after being flamed (gently) on a.m.r for daring
to say "Stairway to Heaven" is about the Lady Galadriel.  :)

-- 
Once you're touched you stand alone  |     Paul W. Cashman  
To face the bitter fight             |     email_address_removed
Once I reached for love              |     Dream Theater 
And now I reach for life             | <-  "Learning to Live"

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