Subject: YTSEJAM digest 257
From: email_address_removed
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>

Contents:
Re: YTSEJAM digest 254 (Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>)
Re:James vs Geoff (Adam Vernon <email_address_removed>)
Heir Apparent (Jason Peter <email_address_removed>)
FAQ (email_address_removed.nl (Erwin Gavic))
 Re: Geoff vs James  ("james (j.) wolf" <[email-masked]>)
saga (email_address_removed)
Re: re:YTSEJAM digest 254 (F5JTL...WX3W <email_address_removed>)
Re:James vs Geoff ("TIM LODGE - SGA PRESIDENT, PRE-LAW SOCIETY, PS MAJOR" <email_address_removed>)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 256 (Guy K McArthur <email_address_removed>)
Re:YTSEJAM digest 254 (William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 254 (William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>)
Re:James vs Geoff (William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>)
Re: FAQ (Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 254 ("Paul W. Cashman" <email_address_removed>)
Re: saga ("Paul W. Cashman" <email_address_removed>)
Re: saga (email_address_removed (Mel))
Re: James vs Geoff ("Paul W. Cashman" <email_address_removed>)
Re: Geoff vs James (email_address_removed)
Re: Re:James vs Geoff (email_address_removed)

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 11:40:33 MST
From: Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 254

> 
> >     Where'd you get the idea that its about LTL being about somebody
> > dying of AIDS? It's obviously about "Learning to live". Reread the
> > lyrics.
> 
>      Heh. Probably from the fact that John Myung, who wrote the damn thing,
> was asked by someone on this list if the song was about AIDS, and John 
> replied to the effect of "Wow, how'd you figure it out???" Why don't YOU
> go reread the lyrics......

	Yeah you're right man... some of the lyrics are SO OBVIOUS once
you KNOW it's about aids... otherwise you can't be sure.

"once I reached for love and now I reach for life"
"when i lay here drained of strength..."

And of course the quote in my .sig below....
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Mike/email_address_removed/Snow Dog of Prismatic Force Designs/sydest.com
### # # ### #    "Through nature's inflexible grace, I'm learning to live..."
#   # # #   #              - Dream Theater
#   # # ### ###  "Art as expression, not as market campaigns..."
#   # #   # # #            - Rush
#   ### ### # #  "Censorship is fucking unAmerican." 
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 15:38:26 -0500
From: Adam Vernon <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re:James vs Geoff

>> decent, but IMHO he is the least-talented member of an incredible band.  To
>> hear him compared to (IMHO) the best singer in the business is blasphemous.
>> At times I like Charlie better than James...especially on the Killing Hand.
>> James' annoying screaming just ruins this song for me on LatM.  Does anyone
>> else share this opinion, or am I alone on the Net?  Most of my friends here
>> think he is rather weak also...

>I don't think he's a weak singer, and I like James' voice more than
>Charlie's, but IMHO his screeching high notes live is the only thing
>standing between DT and a really stellar stage presence.  
>
>Geoff is the better singer, no question that he appears to have a
>wider range, but I do like James also.
>
>-- 
>Once you're touched you stand alone  |     Paul W. Cashman  
>To face the bitter fight             |     email_address_removed
>Once I reached for love              |     Dream Theater 
>And now I reach for life             | <-  "Learning to Live"

I too like James also...It sounded like I was slamming him, but I do like him,
though not nearly as much as Geoff.  My complaints also pertain to those 
"screaching high notes" James resorts to live.  Mayhap he needs the studio to
be able to sound as good a he does on I&W.  Just my IMNSHO.

 Though, I have been told that Geoff did this in his younger years. Hmmmm.
email_address_removed |"Father William saved her from the streets
                   | She drank the lifeblood from the saviors feet
Queensryche  -->   | She's Sister Mary now, with eyes as cold as ice
Operation:Mindcrime| He takes her once a week on the altar like a sacrifice."

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 13:18:41 EST
From: Jason Peter <email_address_removed>
Subject: Heir Apparent

Does ANYONE out there know of a definite source where I can find Heir Apparent's
One Small Voice? (CD preferrably but tape would be OK)  I've tried ranjit and he
can not find it.  All of the music stores I've tried say that it is out of print
and so forth.  If anybody has the disc, I'd be happy to trade for it or a copy 
of it, so please email me.  I have quite a bit of stuff including a DT promo
tape from WDADU!

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By a candle stands a mirror
Of his heart and soul she dances...
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Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1993 19:21:25 +0100 (MET)
From: email_address_removed.nl (Erwin Gavic)
Subject: FAQ

Hello!

Is there a DT -  FAQ? somewhere availeble???
And if yes: where?

In advance, thanks a lot

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Date:  Thu, 2 Dec 1993 12:58:00 +0000 
From: "james (j.) wolf" <[email-masked]>
Subject:  Re: Geoff vs James 

>Adam Vernon wrote:
>
>Jason Hartman wrote:
>
>>She says it mainly James's voice!  HIS VOICE IS GREAT!!  Plus I think she is
>>just jealous that they (especially James's voice) are better then Queensryche.
>
>Are you deaf?  I think James is adequate, nothing more.  Geoff's voice is ten
>times stronger.  The clincher for me was watching "Live in Tokyo" and
>"Operation:Livecrime" back to back...do it and you too will see.  James is 

I have "Operation:Livecrime" (video and CD) and I have to say that I've never
liked the VIDEO.   There's nothing wrong with the performance but I HATE how it
is shot.  THOUSANDS of quick edits, close shots and that pseudo-slow motion
effect just make this video unwatchable.  It looks to much like an overblown
MTV video and looks nothing at all like a live concert.   What's wrong with
long wide shots that allow me to chose what I'm going to look at and actually
let me focus on something?  That's how people actually watch shows.

My "Live in Tokyo" is still in its shrink wrap (JUST got it), so I can't make
the comparison you suggest.  But I do have LATM so I can at least compare their
live singing in that way.  I do love both bands and both singers so any
criticisms that follow should be considered minor criticisms (i.e. nitpicking).

I have to say I like James better.  His range is greater live (at least at this
stage in their careers).  Just listen to the studio "Operation: Mindcrime" and
compare it to "Livecrime" and note how many times Geoff kind of skips out of
hitting the high notes.  James hits all his high notes live and at times
actually sings higher on LATM than he does on the studio versions.   James also
holds notes for their full duration live, and puts his vibrato into it, while
on "Livecrime" Geoff breaks off a lot of his sustained notes early.  Of course,
Geoff is older.  James also can sing with almost a jazzy, uptempo feel while
Geoff rhytms are pretty straightforward.  But I can understand people who
criticize James' voice for being overblown since he's ALWAYS emotional and 
has that heavy vibrato on his notes.  And sometimes he overextends himself and
sounds a little out of breath.  This is where Geoff is better, especially on
the "Building Empires" tour.  He's learned the value of restraint.  He places
his vibratos and inflections where they count.  As his voice has matured
he's lost some high end, but he's been smart and has adjusted-he's now singing
in lower octaves, especially the "Empire" songs.  He doesn't over extend himself
and knows his limits well.  As a result, his voice has become smoother and 
richer.  He's much more consistent live than James is.

As a side note, keep in mind that when comparing LATM and "Operation:Livecrime"
CD's, "Livecrime" sounds much more "touched up" to me-i.e. mistakes were
probably covered up in the studio later on- whereas LATM sounds very live and
authentic to me, precisely because there are a good deal of mistakes on it.

>decent, but IMHO he is the least-talented member of an incredible band.  To
>hear him compared to (IMHO) the best singer in the business is blasphemous.
>At times I like Charlie better than James...especially on the Killing Hand.
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I guess I'm a little suprised that you liked Charlie better.  To my
ears his voice has a few deficiencies.  It is so thin (no amount of reverb can
help this man) and his range so limited.  His voice is somewhat monotonic, 
without any emotional inflections.  And he has no rhythm: he is always lumbering
behind the beat.  "Light Fuse and Get Away" is a good example of Charlie
struggling to keep up with the rest of the boys.  James, meanwhile, has great
tempo.  He's always pushing the rest of the band forward rather than lagging
behind them like Charlie.   And of course James' range, which I would guess is
close to four octave, is much greater than Charlie's, which I would guess is
about 1.5 octaves.

>James' annoying screaming just ruins this song for me on LatM.  Does anyone

On "The Killing Hand" (live), James sings with 
a lot of emotion.  To me, his screams come at certain emotional peaks in the
song and I like it.  Kind of reminds me of Ian Gilliam at times.

>else share this opinion, or am I alone on the Net?  Most of my friends here
>think he is rather weak also..
>
>
>Adam.

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Wolf Man

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Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1993 19:16:54 -0500 (EST)
From: email_address_removed
Subject: saga

Somebody else just mentioned Saga. . .I vaguely recall them. . .anyone
remember if they're any good?  (Like, specifically, if I were to pick up a
disc which one should I go for?)  Also, someone mentioned either here or on
NMS a band called Cynic, anyone know anything about them?  Guitar F.P.M. mag
had them listed as death metal.  And finally, which are the good TNT albums>
I assume not Realized Fantasies, that's the one I see in cutout bins all the
time.
Just to stay on track. . .Dream Theater's really cool!

				Aaron
				ASILVERM@UMIAMI

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 17:25:06 -0700 (MST)
From: F5JTL...WX3W <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: re:YTSEJAM digest 254

According to Martin A Hennemann:
>
>  Speaking of other similiar bands, someone once mentioned a group called
>Saga?  Are they any good?  I ordered one of their CD's a couple days ago.
>(Heads or Tales) So I guess I'll find out :)

Saga is way different from DT. I like Heads or Tales but Worlds Apart was
much better (back in 1981). Saga had a hit in the early '80s (Turn to
Loose) and toured with Rush. I understand that they have a new album now.
Any comment?
They used to have lots of synthesizers but the guitar was pretty good too...

Laurent E-:-)

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 21:49:59 -0500 (EST)
From: "TIM LODGE - SGA PRESIDENT, PRE-LAW SOCIETY, PS MAJOR" <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re:James vs Geoff

Can we please stop this thread right now? Nobody is going to change their
opinions by 1 or 2 messages. Geoff is good. James is good. It's
two totally different types of music.  Look, IMHO, if DT didn't
dump Dominicci when they had the chance, they would never be as big
as they are today. 

DT RULES

Tim

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 20:38:07 -0700 (MST)
From: Guy K McArthur <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 256

	Hi, I've been lurking on this list for a month or so; this is my
first actual post. I have only heard I&W but I'm looking for WD&DU.
	Question: On "Learning to Live", the lyrics in the cd booklet,
should that be "spilt" as it is spelled, as in spilled, or "split?" Well,
it doesn't really matter anyway, now does it.
	"Take the Time" is by far my favorite DT song.
	To the person who asks what King's X sounds like... the sound
great! They sound much more like Extreme than DT. They are fairly
original; I bought their latest untitled album on the recommendation of
people on the Rush fans list and am not dissapointed. They are a Christian
band, but there is little reference to religious themes on most of their
songs.

+----------------------------=============================--------------------+
"I got my sights on the stars<     --   --    -- --      >     .     .
won't get that far           >     __   __   __   __     <      .     .    
but I'll try anyway..."      <     __   __   __ - __     >              *
RUSH/best I can              >      == ==    ==   ==     <
+============================<<<email_address_removed>>>====================+

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Date: Thu,  2 Dec 1993 22:43:10 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:YTSEJAM digest 254

Excerpts from mail: 2-Dec-93 Re:YTSEJAM digest 254 by Martin A Hennemann@acsu. 
>   Umm, actualy Bill, I agree with LTL being about a fight against AIDS.  And
> after rereading the lyrics, I'm more convinced.  SOme examples (feel free
> to show examples against it, that's what this place is for :)
>   "I wopn't give up till I've no more to give" meaning he'll fight it till
> he can't anymore.  "The 90s bring new questions, [AIDS] new s9olutions to be
> found [cure?].  I fell in love to be let down [He fell in love and contracted
> the disease]"  Also "From a common fear that's all spread out [fear of AIDS]
> It won't listen to what you say.  Once you're touched you stand alone
> [discrimination against ppl with AIDS] to face the bitter fight.  Once
> I reached for love, and now I reach for life"  One last example is "Through
> natures inflexible grace, I'm learning to live"  Meaning, because of nature
> inflicting him with the disease, he's learning to live a new life.
>   I dunno, that's how I always took it. :)  Any comments?

If it is it's poorply written (Myung lyrics.). It seems to me to be al
song about dealing with violence and discrimination. I dont have the
lyrics with me (My cd is used and the booklet's ready to fall apart, so
I never look at it). Maybe it's meant to have several meanings.

"Through natures inflexible grace, I'm learning to live" could mean that
people are the way they are, and he's trying to deal with it and stand
out.

"I won't give up till I've no more to give" could mean he's fighting to
get himself heard and for people to understand what he's trying to say.

"The 90s bring new questions, new solutions to be found" could mean that
there are more problems, but there are also some solutions to older
problems. "I fell in love to be let down" could mean anything,
symbolically, it could mean he finds out that his early impressions of
the world were wrong, and it's a lot worse than he thought.

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Date: Thu,  2 Dec 1993 22:44:50 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 254

Excerpts from mail: 2-Dec-93 Re: YTSEJAM digest 254 by DAVID
email_address_removed.ed 
>      Heh. Probably from the fact that John Myung, who wrote the damn thing,
> was asked by someone on this list if the song was about AIDS, and John 
> replied to the effect of "Wow, how'd you figure it out???"

Where'd you hear that? I can never find any interviews with them except
the occasional one in guitar world or guitar player.

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Date: Thu,  2 Dec 1993 22:52:33 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:James vs Geoff

Excerpts from mail: 2-Dec-93 Re:James vs Geoff by Adam email_address_removed 
> I too like James also...It sounded like I was slamming him, but I do
like him,
> though not nearly as much as Geoff.  My complaints also pertain to those 
> "screaching high notes" James resorts to live.  Mayhap he needs the studio to
> be able to sound as good a he does on I&W.  Just my IMNSHO.

I think the screaming is cool. I think it would be boring if it sounded
exactly like the cd.  

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 22:19:04 MST
From: Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: FAQ

> 
> Hello!
> 
> Is there a DT -  FAQ? somewhere availeble???
> And if yes: where?

	Well, I don't know if there is a FAQ, but there certainly has been
a maintained discography.. I have tried to keep it as accurate as
possible, here's hoping for inclusion in the next issue of Ytsejam, a
current copy of it... enjoy!

	If Anyone would like to conspire with me to administer a FAQ for
Dream Theater, please let me know... the discography taught me one thing:
you can get it up on a lot of FTP sites, but there are many people who
know details before you do and it's tough to keep things up to date! :)

Cheers, Mike/email_address_removed
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Discography: Dream Theater (Current to 12/10/93)
Compiled by: Mike Bahr (email_address_removed) (garion#hack)

If you find more from Dream Theater, please do mail me. I'll gladly update
this file. I am sending this to ftp.uwp.edu; please refer to the most
current version on that site.

I'm not perfect. But I'm trying to be as accurate as I can. If you can help
me to that end with this discography, I appreciate it.

I try to get a copy of everything listed here, with exception of some of
the bootlegs I do own them all. If you find new albums, etc please mail
me! Not only will I credit you here but I want to buy the things. :)

A word of thanks goes here to the dozen-odd folks who wrote to me with needed 
changes. Since I lost my old account (email_address_removed) I need you to write me 
back at email_address_removed and tell me who you were, I want to give name 
credit in this discography.      

Many thanks to the following for their additions and corrections:  
* Randall Haskin (email_address_removed)
	This guy has done everything short of the editor's job on this
thing. He's given me additional release info (Dance of Eternity CD) and
corrected an assortment of minor mistakes I made in the original. Seems he
keeps finding new things to add as well. Many thanks go here.

* Brent Nuttall (email_address_removed)
	For information pertaining to the various releases of "Live At The
Marquee" and finding me a copy.

* Dave (email_address_removed)
	For information pertaining to the Consciously Unreal bootleg, 
including liner notes etc. Many thanks!

* Michael Burstin (email_address_removed)
	For information pertaining to Majesty and the Live video.

LEGEND:
LP - Record; CT - Cassette; CD - 5" Compact Disc; MD - 2.5" Mini Disc
C3 - 3" Compact Disc - CS - Cassette Single; 2CD - Double CD set; V - Video

Full discography to
OFFICIAL RELEASES:
	Majesty demos, 1987-89, Not produced.
        When Dream And Day Unite, 1989, MCA/Mechanix (France, Germany Only)
          LP, CT, CD
        Images & Words, 1992, Atlantic/ATCO (USA) CT, CD, MD
        Images & Words, 1993, Sony Music Entertainment (Japan) LP, CT, CD
        Images & Words, 1993, Vertigo/Biem/Stemra (Germany, Holland, UK) LP, CD
        Another Day/Status Seeker, 1993, WEA International (UK Only?) CS
        Another Day/Under A Glass Moon, 1993, Atlantic/ATCO (USA) CS
        Pull Me Under, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD
        Pull Me Under, 1993, AVision ATCO (USA) V
	Take The Time, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD
        Another Day, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD
        Under A Glass Moon, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD
        Surrounded, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD
        Live At The Marquee, 1993, WEA International (Germany, Holland, UK) CD
        Live At The Marquee, 1993, MMG Inc. (Japan) CD
	Images & Words Live In Tokyo, 1993, AVision ATCO (USA) V

CONFIRMED BOOTLEGS:
        A Fortune Pulled Under, 1992, LP (USA)
                Live cuts from early promotional touring after the release
                of Images & Words.
        Images & Tour!, 1993, CD (USA)
                A full length live bootleg from the Images & Tour Tour.
        Runes, 1993, CD (USA)
                A passable recording of a portion of the second leg of the
                Images & Tour Tour.
	The Dance Of Eternity, 1993, 2CD (USA)
		An excellent-quality audience recording from about the same
		time as Images & Tour! was done. Near-soundboard clarity.
		Great disc pictures and liner, professionally done.
	Consciously Unreal, 1993, 2CD (Italy)
		The only bootleg with the original DT lineup live. Includes
		a boot from the Images tour and a few tracks from the first,
		When Dream and Day Unite, tour. Liner notes say it's USA but
		James LaBrie makes statements during the performance that
		indicate they are in Italy.
 
RELEASE INFO
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the Majesty demos, 1987-89 (Not produced.)
	Before they were Dream Theater, they were Majesty. Included on their
	demo tapes are the following:

	Forever (now known as To Live Forever)
	Your Majesty
	Dream Theater (yes, it was a song before it was a band name!)
	Afterlife
	Status Seeker
	The Ytse Jam
	Metropolis part I: The Miracle and the Sleeper
	Light Fuse and Get Away
	Another Hand/The Killing Hand

	Anyone with a reliable source for these recordings, please contact
	me at the address above... I want to get them...

When Dream And Day Unite, 1989, MCA/Mechanix, France, Germany only
MCD42259/MCAD42259/D:QM-F:BM720
Members of the band:
        Vocals: Charlie Dominici
        Drums: Michael Portnoy
        Guitars: John Petrucci
        Keyboards: Kevin Moore
        Bass: John Myung

Side 1 -        1. A Fortune In Lies 5:10
                2. Status Seeker 4:15
                3. The Ytse Jam 5:43
                4. The Killing Hand 8:40
                        I. The Observance
                        II. Ancient Renewal
                        III. The Stray Seed
                        IV. Thorus
                        V. Exodus
Side 2 -        5. Light Fuse and Get Away 7:23
                6. Afterlife 5:27
                7. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun 8:04
                8. Only a Matter of Time 6:35

Images & Words, 1992, Atlantic/ATCO, USA
7567-92148-2
Members of the band:
        Vocals: James LaBrie
        Otherwise same

Side 1 -        1. Pull Me Under 8:11
                2. Another Day 4:22
                3. Take The Time 8:21
                4. Surrounded 5:28
Side 2 -        5. Metropolis Part I
                    (The Miracle and the Sleeper) 9:30
                6. Under a Glass Moon 7:02
                7. Wait For Sleep 2:31
                8. Learning to Live 11:30

Images & Words, 1993, Sony Music Entertainment (Japan)
Need a catalog # (mine is a copy)
Images & Words, 1993, Vertigo/Biem/Stemra (Germany, Holland, UK)
Need a catalog # (mine is a copy)
        Identical to USA version except extra track on Vertigo release:
                5. The Ytse Jam (Live) 6:36
	Tracks #5-8 on USA version renumbered to #6-9 here.

Another Day, 1993, WEA International, UK Only? Confirmation anyone?
Need a catalog # (submitted as entry, I don't own it)
        Cassette Single

        Side 1 - Another Day (LP Version) 4:22
        Side 2 - Status Seeker (Live) 4:28

Another Day, 1991, Atlantic/ATCO, USA
Need a catalog # (submitted as entry, I don't own it)
        Cassette Single

        Side 1 - Another Day (LP Version) 4:22
        Side 2 - Under A Glass Moon (LP Version) 7:02

Pull Me Under, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5067
        CD Single

        Pull Me Under (LP Version) 8:11

Pull Me Under, 1993, AVision ATCO (USA)
Need a catalog # (submitted as entry, I don't own it)
	Video

	Pull Me Under (Edit) 4:39
	Pull Me Under (MTV Edit) 4:48
	Pull Me Under (LP Version) 8:11

Take The Time, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5069
        CD Single

	Take The Time (MTV Edit) 5:31
        Take The Time (LP Version) 8:21

Another Day, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5077
        CD Single

        Another Day (LP Version) 4:21

Under A Glass Moon, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5080
        CD Single

        Under A Glass Moon (LP Version) 7:02

Surrounded, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5104
        CD Single

        Surrounded (LP Version) 5:29

Live At The Marquee, 1993, WEA International (Germany, Holland, UK)
7567-92286-2/CA 835
        CD EP
        Recorded in London, England, UK, April 1993

                Metropolis 9:36
                A Fortune In Lies 5:10
                Bombay Vindaloo (Previously Unreleased) 6:48
                Surrounded 6:00
                Another Hand/The Killing Hand 10:30
                Pull Me Under 8:42

Live At The Marquee, 1993, MMG Inc. (Japan)
ACM4-574 
	CD EP
	Identical to Germany/Holland/UK version Except:
	Substitute track:
		4. Another Day 4:37

Images & Words Live In Tokyo, 1993, AVision ATCO (USA)
50537-3
Full-length video release (need times)

	 1. Arrival 0:31
	 2. Under A Glass Moon (live) 7:13
	 3. The making of Pull Me Under 3:03
	 4. Pull Me Under (video) 4:48
	 5. The making of Take The Time 2:15
	 6. Take The Time (video) 5:31
	 7. Kimonos and tapes that are too big 3:01
	 8. The condoms of Dream Theater 1:02
	 9. The interview 0:27
	10. Wait For Sleep (live) --> 2:45
	11. Surrounded (live) 5:54
	12. The Ytse Jam/Drum Solo (live) 10:28
	13. Chunk and balls (MTV sucks) 0:51
	14. Another Day (video) 4:29
	15. To Live Forever/A Change of Seasons (live) 12:05
	16. A Fortune In Lies (live) 5:00
	17. Mike crosses the Abbey Road 1:11
	18. Eve/Take The Time (live) 10:32
	19. Take The Time by Galactic Cowboys 0:29
	20. Take The Time by Sebastian Bach 0:25
	21. Breast signing 0:50
	22. Pull Me Under (live) 8:29

BOOTLEG INFO
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A Fortune Pulled Under (USA) 1992, LP
Need a mfr. and catalog # (it was submitted)
        1 LP
        Recorded in Paris, France, October 1992
        Side 1 -        Take The Time
                        Afterlife
                        The Ytse Jam/Drum Solo
                        Only a Matter of Time
        Side 2 -        Guitar Solo/A Fortune In Lies
                        Under a Glass Moon
                        Surrounded
                        Pull Me Under

*** I Need to know who is currently vending this. I have had requests for
	copies which I intend to provide, and a copy of a copy of an LP
	that was a bootleg to begin with turns out as pretty sorry quality.

Images & Tour! (USA) 1993, CD (Big Red Records #48733-DT)
        1 CD
        Recorded in Tempe, AZ, USA, March 1993
                        Dance of Eternity 9:46 (Metropolis mislabeled)
                        A Fortune In Lies 5:02
                        Under a Glass Moon 7:15
			The Approach/Bombay Vindaloo (mislabeled?) 7:08
                        Waits For Sleep (mislabeled the "s" in Wait) 2:44
			Surrounded 6:10
                        Instrumental/Drum Solo 10:53 (Ytse Jam mislabeled)
                        To Live Forever 4:50
                        A Change of Seasons 7:20
                        Eve/Take The Time (mislabeled?) 10:31
                        Pull Me Under 8:35

*** Corrected: A Fortune In Lies is track #2, not Afterlife as previously
	noted. I finally got an original of this one and confirmed this.
	The vendor is Tracks In Wax, N. Central Ave, Phoenix, AZ.
	A whole show is not included; absent is Learning to Live and
	Another Hand/The Killing Hand.

Runes (USA) 1993, CD (The Camera's Ear Productions, #9103)
        1 CD
        Recorded in Sacramento, CA, USA, no date given.
        Can be distinguished by lack of good bass in the first three tracks.
                        (cuts right to song, no fade-in)
                        Metropolis
                        Under A Glass Moon
                        To Live Forever
                        Wait For Sleep
                        Surrounded
                        A Fortune In Lies
                        Take The Time
                        Pull Me Under
                        Learning To Live
                        (cuts off after last chord)

*** I need to know who is vending this. 

The Dance of Eternity (USA) 1993, 2CD (Why Not? Records WOT2014/15)
	2 CD's - further notes above in description section
	Recorded at the Limelight, New York, March 4 1993
		Disc 1
			Metropolis, part 1 9.21
			A Fortune In Lies 5.20
			Under A Glass Moon 7.31
			Surrounded 6.16
			The Ytse Jam 9.46
			To Live Forever 5.57*
			Take The Time 10.42
		Disc 2
			Eve/Pull Me Under 13.59
			Another Day 6.39
			Another Hand/The Killing Hand 8.20
			A Change Of Seasons 20.04
			Wait For Sleep 2.52
			Learning To Live 13.14

* Mislabeled on liner as "Forever", which is what it was called back when
Dream Theater was 'Majesty'.

*** Every importer/specialty shop I inquired at indicated they could obtain
	copies of this, so you should have no trouble.

Consciously Unreal (Italy) 1993, 2CD
Need mfr. and catalog # (it was submitted)
Tracks 1-11 recorded in Italy during the Images & Tour tour. LaBrie on
vocals. Tracks 12-16 recorded during the Dream & Day tour, Dominici vocals.
		Disc 1
			Metropolis part I
			A Fortune In Lies
			Under A Glass Moon
			Surrounded
			The Ytse Jam/Drum Solo
			Another Day
			The Killing Hand
			Pull Me Under
			Take The Time

		Disc 2
			Wait For Sleep
			Learning To Live
			-----------------
			Metropolis part I
			Afterlife
			Forever
			The Ytse Jam
			The Killing Hand

*** I need to know who is currently vending this.			

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 21:58:34 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 254

>   "I wopn't give up till I've no more to give" meaning he'll fight it till
> he can't anymore.  "The 90s bring new questions, [AIDS] new s9olutions to be
> found [cure?].  I fell in love to be let down [He fell in love and contracted
> the disease]"  Also "From a common fear that's all spread out [fear of AIDS]
> It won't listen to what you say.  Once you're touched you stand alone
> [discrimination against ppl with AIDS] to face the bitter fight.  Once
> I reached for love, and now I reach for life"  One last example is "Through
> natures inflexible grace, I'm learning to live"  Meaning, because of nature
> inflicting him with the disease, he's learning to live a new life.
>   I dunno, that's how I always took it. :)  Any comments?

I'd been following the thread a bit casually, but really, after that
analysis there's no doubt at all in my mind whatsoever.  I can now
tell some of my friends who panned DT lyrics as being a bit trite that
they're Full Of It.  :)

-- 
Once you're touched you stand alone  |     Paul W. Cashman  
To face the bitter fight             |     email_address_removed
Once I reached for love              |     Dream Theater 
And now I reach for life             | <-  "Learning to Live"

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 22:34:50 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: saga

> Somebody else just mentioned Saga. . .I vaguely recall them. . .anyone
> remember if they're any good?  (Like, specifically, if I were to pick up a
> disc which one should I go for?)

I just picked up IN TRANSIT, which is a live concert CD with several
good songs on it, including my favorites from radio, "Wind Him Up" and
one other (the CD is out in the car, else I'd check it, amazing, it's
on the tip of my tongue....)

I think they were pretty talented, and a drummer friend has a :?tzlot
of respect for their drummer.....

-- 
Once you're touched you stand alone  |     Paul W. Cashman  
To face the bitter fight             |     email_address_removed
Once I reached for love              |     Dream Theater 
And now I reach for life             | <-  "Learning to Live"

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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 01:56:25 -0600 (CST)
From: email_address_removed (Mel)
Subject: Re: saga

> 
> Somebody else just mentioned Saga. . .I vaguely recall them. . .anyone
> remember if they're any good?  (Like, specifically, if I were to pick up a
> disc which one should I go for?) 

	They're Canadian.  And they used to be pretty cool.  That was 
about 1981.  They were pretty progressive for back then.  Neat guitar s
stuff, and some neat synth stuff.  I like _World's Apart_ (1981) but that's
the only one I've got.  It sounds dated, but it'd still okay.

> Also, someone mentioned either here or on
> NMS a band called Cynic, anyone know anything about them?  Guitar F.P.M. mag
> had them listed as death metal. 

	Gods.  Gods.  Gods.  Progressive death/jazz/new-age.  Phenominal
players (Some say better than DT, but definately heavier).  They do sections
of pure jazz, sections of pure death metal, and sections of a weird 
cross-breed death/jazz.  My favorite disc of the year...by far.  Not
for everyone, and certainly not for those of you who like "beautiful" music.
They have a mixture of death and synth/melodic vocals.  But the melodies
are usually jazz/semi-atonal stuff...  Very experimental.  Good stuff.

Mel

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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 00:05:19 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: James vs Geoff

> 
> Excerpts from mail: 2-Dec-93 Re:James vs Geoff by Adam email_address_removed 
> > I too like James also...It sounded like I was slamming him, but I do
> like him,
> > though not nearly as much as Geoff.  My complaints also pertain to those 
> > "screaching high notes" James resorts to live.  Mayhap he needs the studio to
> > be able to sound as good a he does on I&W.  Just my IMNSHO.
> 
> I think the screaming is cool. I think it would be boring if it sounded
> exactly like the cd.  

Sure, but I think that screeching sounds pretty damned amateurish.
IMO, Atco would probably back DT with more support if James didn't
screech his high notes that way.  Reason:  most of my metal/thrash
friends, when they hear it, really lose interest in DT as a live
presence.  If he could actually sing (as opposed to scream) his
highest notes, NOTHING would stand between DT and a phenomenal live
show.

-- 
Once you're touched you stand alone  |     Paul W. Cashman  
To face the bitter fight             |     email_address_removed
Once I reached for love              |     Dream Theater 
And now I reach for life             | <-  "Learning to Live"

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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 93 03:12:51 EST
From: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Geoff vs James

Well, I've seen James after a brief vacation, and he sounds just as good as
Geoff when his voice is fresh.

I like Geoff a lot as well, and I think Geoff has a more powerful voice and
perhaps a larger range, but he can't make his voice sound soft very well.  I
can't see Geoff singing "Surrounded" or anything (nor can he do the beginning
to "Silent Lucidity" very well in concert, but it's minor; he's still great!)

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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 93 03:25:37 EST
From: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Re:James vs Geoff

I think James's screaming sounds bad on a taped live performance, but if I
were sitting in concert I would appreciate the screams, I think.  Also, they
are very "good" screams.  In the same vein as Jesus Christ Superstar by Lloyd
Webber.

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